VM: The question is, what kind of expedition was it, who organized it, who participated in it?

T: People go to Tibet to perform Kora, to worship Kylos. I entered this expedition. There were several people there, people engaged in self-development. One of them was from Alma-Ata, the second was from Moscow, the third was from Nizhny Novgorod, and so I was there too. The expedition took place in August 2019.

VM: Tell us where and how you arrived, where did you gather?

T: Everyone gathered in Moscow, then flew through China to Lhasa. We stopped there, lived for three days in Lhasa. Adapted to the height. There are three and a half thousand meters above sea level. We visited the palace of the Dalai Lama, watched other monasteries. The body has adapted to the height. Then we went in the direction of Kailash by bus. We lived in a hotel in the city of Lhasa. This is Tibet. They lived in Tibet for three days, and then every 500, 700 meters they stopped, because they rose above sea level above three and a half thousand meters and it was necessary to stop there to stay for a day – two days, in order for the body to adapt, while the blood is filled with oxygen and there are no consequences: no mountain sickness, nothing. Therefore, like this, we gradually approached the foot of the mountain, and at these stops we visited monasteries.

VM: What monasteries did you visit?

T: I wrote down their names, I won’t tell them by heart now. These were Buddhist monasteries.

VM: I would like to receive some photos of these names.

T: Yes, of course, it’s all there. This is an 11th century monastery, one of the main ones for monks, for Buddhists. They came there, lived there, they had enlightenment, then they left for their monasteries, in their parishes, and there then these enlightenments were distributed to their students.

VM: Okay, how did you get there? You say you dreamed about where to go and how beforehand?

T: In fact, as soon as we left Lhasa, I started having visions that lasted all night. Future events were shown every night. What will be the visits, where will they be, with whom will there be meetings. And in reality, all this then happened. And before the hike. In principle, as the guide said, we had no plans to visit this monastery. We just drove, and it turned out that at the same time a clergyman visited Tibet and the local authorities blocked the road, and directed us along another mountain road to a detour. And we stopped at this monastery. The main route was closed. It was necessary to somehow wait out the blockage of this road, and we went for a walk around the monastery. And I, passing through the monastery, remembered just my dream, which I had seen the previous night. And in it, literally step by step, everything was told: where I should go in this monastery, where to climb, go around some buildings, stop on the bridge and stand there. So I got there, stood on this bridge, remembered everything, and there was a building behind me. The door opened and a young monk came out. He called me there, inside. He spoke Tibetan. No one speaks either English or Russian there. And so I understood that they were waiting for me. Although I had already seen it all in a dream, I was greatly surprised by this event. He asked me to sit down. Then a man comes out, also a monk, in these Buddhist robes, which look more than 110-120 years old. Here is such an ancient one, but he has a very strong body, head, long facial hair, although the monks are bald and have no hair on their face either. He also had a beard, a mustache, but his head was completely bald. And so he takes out this bead and says again “on his fingers”: “You understand who needs to give it. We have prepared it and you have to take it. ” First, Tatyana’s face appeared to me in this room. I thought, “Why would she?”, And then you showed up. That is, the atmosphere there was so non-transparent that it felt like a movie projector was turned on for you and images appear right in the atmosphere in front of you. There, both day and night, the movie goes on – there are images. In general, you can hardly keep track of everything there: where to go, where are the steps, and at the same time around you they still show “movies”. They gave me a gift, after which this adult man went to his room, and the young monk showed: it is necessary, they say, to say goodbye, you have come about your business, look around, and we have our own business. Everything, they closed the door, as if we had not seen each other. I thought, “Why would she?”, And then you showed up. That is, the atmosphere there was so non-transparent that it felt like a movie projector was turned on for you and images appear right in the atmosphere in front of you. There, both day and night, the movie goes on – there are images. In general, you can hardly keep track of everything there: where to go, where are the steps, and at the same time around you they still show “movies”. They gave me a gift, after which this adult man went to his room, and the young monk showed: it is necessary, they say, to say goodbye, you have come about your business, look around, and we have our own business. Everything, they closed the door, as if we had not seen each other. I thought, “Why would she?”, And then you showed up. That is, the atmosphere there was so non-transparent that it felt like a movie projector was turned on for you and images appear right in the atmosphere in front of you. There, both day and night, the movie goes on – there are images. You can hardly keep track of everything there: where to go, where are the steps, and at the same time around you they still show “movies”. They gave me a gift, after which this adult man went to his room, and the young monk showed: it is necessary, they say, to say goodbye, you have come about your business, look around, and we have our own business. Everything, they closed the door, as if we had not seen each other. There, both day and night, the movie goes on – there are images. In general, you can hardly keep track of everything there: where to go, where are the steps, and at the same time around you they still show “movies”. They gave me a gift, after which this adult man went to his room, and the young monk showed: it is necessary, they say, to say goodbye, you have come about your business, look around, and we have our own business. Everything, they closed the door, as if we had not seen each other. There, both day and night, the movie goes on – there are images. In general, you can hardly keep track of everything there: where to go, where are the steps, and at the same time around you they still show “movies”. They gave me a gift, after which this adult man went to his room, and the young monk showed: it is necessary, they say, to say goodbye, you have come about your business, look around, and we have our own business. Everything, they closed the door, as if we had not seen each other. Then we went to the second monastery, he was nearby. In the second monastery there were already ordinary people – local Tibetans, Chinese, they visit these places too, they travel. The door was open inside the room, but no one seemed to enter it, and I decided to just look in, where their doors are all closed with blankets, in monasteries. They opened it, I pushed aside the blankets, walked through and sat again … this time there was such a monk, all bald, with a clean head. And he doesn’t even say hello, not goodbye, he immediately takes this yellow thread vajra and immediately hands it to me. As if we had talked with him somewhere through the window or before, and so I had to go in and pick it up. He holds out and smiles at me. Here he says to you like: “Take it, you came for her.” It so happened that this meeting was originally planned.

VM: As if they are familiar.

T: Yes, as if familiar. And I ordered, let’s say, to make some amulet for myself, or something else for myself. And then, when we left and were already climbing higher to this mountain, we stopped and there was a small market where all these Tibetan glass crafts were sold, and I saw these two Dragons. They stood apart, no one paid any attention to them, no one approached. They told me: “These are yours, your Dragons.” Without a doubt, I did not ask or argue, I just took them with me. It was as if I had such a state that I took these three things and realized that I had fulfilled my plan: I took and found what I had come for. In my heart there was a state that I did what I came for. Then the path was to the mountain itself, to Kylos itself.

Mount Kailash, where pilgrims walk around, make this outer Kora. Well, there is, of course, another completely different story, there is such a gate to climb this mountain. That is, if you take a football field, for example, and put an arch in the middle of this football field. This arch can be on the right, you can bypass it on the left, there are no signs, all the same, but it pulls to go through it. And as soon as you pass through it – what was behind you, this is this world, and you cross this arch – and space completely changes, it is different. And the cinema turns on and that’s it, the world of spirits is fully in contact. Communication begins, they begin to show some life situations that have passed and that you need to go through and in which you live and where it is right, where it is wrong … It’s just a movie going on. I passed my first path there, it consists of three sections … In general, it is necessary to walk 53 kilometers around this mountain. And here is the first path, the first segment – to the northern face of Kylos. Most of the people, pilgrims, go to this northern spur, spend the night there and come back. They consider this to be the most difficult segment, we still have to get out of there, but before we got in, one was carried away from there. The first time I was there – five were carried away from there, Indians. It is considered good for them to die there, on this path. Well, at the first stage, I was told that I must bring these three artifacts to the mountain itself. Stay there, put on the mountain, the maximum charge so that they have. So they were all there, they were sitting there. I walked completely around Kyleash. 53 kilometers and went even inside. And he passed the inner bark too. In inner Kore, there was contact with the mountain – this is the house of Shiva,

VM: What was there?

T: There was also a huge field in front of the mountain itself, and it was as if this field were strewn with nuclei of various diameters. The stones are round, like the cores lie, so it was very difficult to walk on them. But one was lying higher, one lower, and before entering there, a very strong blizzard began. I then performed there, as you said, a ritual of worship, made an offering, asked if I could come in. Usually there … well, as usual, but in general, the entrance to the inner Bark is closed there. And who passes, many come with requests, as you say: “Give me sausages.” And I asked to go, I brought gifts, to present gifts: cookies, sweets from here, sausage, I brought such delicious. Immediately the blizzard stopped and a path opened in this blizzard, how to get between these cores. I walked between these cores … Moreover, when I began to walk, in order to get closer to the mountain, such visions began: two men, the torso is naked, and the bottom is like a snake, the tail is serpentine. And here they are with a volleyball net, they pulled this volleyball net and chased it through people, cleared out thoughts, some parasites. Gone, reached the cube. A cube of some unknown origin, black as metal, it is smooth, as if cast. Well, it’s unrealistic to do something, there are no workshops, nothing at all. A huge cube, probably 6 by 6 meters, is so big. And so this square again had contact with the spirits who guard this mountain, then I brought the remnants of the offerings for them, put all this so that they would accept … And the mountain was completely closed, the blizzard began, winter, in August already it was very cold there. And as soon as I made the offering, the top of the mountain opened completely, the mountain itself opened and opened the pass. Well, of course, it was hard there, it snowed on the pass and it was practically impossible to climb. He climbed the pass, turned to God Shiva, his wife appeared. Showed how to get through. Well, imagine there is the mountain itself, the edge of the mountain and poured a tongue of snow, and this tongue hangs over the abyss. She says, here you are, she pointed her fingers: “You can walk like this.” My back was covered with goose bumps, I thought that everything, the end … To go there, everything is already there, everything is closed there and goes into a storm. In that pass, in the language, I had to pass the language. And they are standing, looking together, smiling. Well, I believed it, walked along the tongue, along the edge by itself, did not breathe, climbed this pass. Everything, please, the path to the mountain is clear. And then he brought the artifacts there, sat there, drank tea, ate cookies, left them all this – Krasnodar gifts. They also ask: “Why did you come?” I say, I’ve brought gifts. “People come to us to ask.” And I say, I don’t ask, I brought offerings and that’s all, they let us in, and went back down very successfully, comfortably. No landslides, avalanches, nothing happened, no stones flew, everything is very beautiful, neat, dignified. But this, in a nutshell, can be described so to speak, but in fact it was very difficult.

VM: And how did you get out further? Where did you spend the night?

T: Now there are already guesthouses there, these are such small hotels, they are without heating, but in principle there are beds, you only need sleeping bags with you, in clothes, but you can sleep. But, again, what a night sky there is – as if walking among the stars! The sky is not visible – solid stars around you. Milky Way, incredible depth of this sky. Generally, in Tibet. Nobody climbs the mountain itself. First, the mountain throws everyone off. There was an expedition, the Americans were some experienced, super-climbers, they decided to climb Kailash, one climbed to some point there – and it breaks down. In the same place, everything is attached and tied to them. All the cables and ropes break, he falls, twists his neck. They quickly gathered – and legs from there. That’s it, nobody else wants to go there. Although they say that somewhere on the top of this Kailash there is Something … No matter how many people tried to take photographs, climb from another mountain and photograph – nothing happens. There, helicopters do not fly at such an altitude, over 5000 meters there. And the clouds cover the top from the satellite. Such is the mystical mountain.

VM: You need to find it on the map and look – there is the Tree of Life. There was a Monk sitting on top, whom I destroyed. High Monk.

T: There, by the very mountain, the ashes of all the noble monks of Tibet are kept. I had to bring artifacts to him. I walked 53 kilometers around the mountain. I walked for three days. First day before the North Face. The second day is a very difficult pass. Almost no visitors go there, only Indians, local Tibetans and that’s it. Further around the mountain, after this pass, is the last journey. There we also stopped at every stop, spent the night in monasteries, and are located around the mountains. In the monasteries there at night there is just an unrealistic movie: monks, they come into contact with you and, apparently, the souls of the dead monks, who also come into contact, tell, show the history of the monasteries, and tell you the purpose. It’s just not clear, you are asleep, and the night is there, or the day is there, everything is completely confused.

VM: And what do the monks eat?

T: Vegetables, yak meat.

VM: Does someone bring them?

T: Jacob graze there, they graze constantly there. They drink yak milk and also bring vegetables, grow something at home.

VM: Is it always freezing there?

T: No, not frost, both animals and marmots live there, such “fur hats” are running around. And they are very much afraid of people. In the first moments, when they approached the northern face, I heard a voice asking me to carry the artifacts to the wall of Kylos, and then the marmot comes out onto the path. We stopped, he comes up, sniffed everything, raises his head: they say, let’s eat something. We had such energy bars and took them with us. They gave this marmot a bar, he takes it with his paws, eats, is not afraid, there are even photographs. Nobody believes me that the marmot came up and asked for food. Apparently, this is again, the spirits moved into him, he approached, showed that we were going to the monastery correctly. And moreover, when we walked to the northern face of the mountain, there are a lot of these spiritual storytellers, pilgrims come from India. They really ride horses, they don’t walk on their own feet, but they have such faces, as if they were being beaten up there with sticks. From there they go, well, help, help, and then from there they go down to their homes. It is believed how they committed Kora. But there are darkness there, there are a lot of Indians, everyone is probably trying to solve the issue of karma, to go around Kylos. It is believed that those who were born in India are people with heavy karma, and now Kylos solves these issues, clears this karma.

VM: What is the name of the third stage? That pass is only the second stage, but the third?

T: The third stage, he is the most free, the easiest, he already passes through the valley and completes the path. There is a camp at the foot of Kailas, called Darchen, this is a camp in which all pilgrims gather and it is necessary to spend the night there, in order to determine whether a person can go through or not. That is, the spirits, the guards of this mountain, they completely scan it in this place. And if a person, for example, is not quite ready to go through, he immediately falls ill. The temperature rises, a runny nose, a cough, he cannot walk. As soon as the group leaves – all diseases are removed from him, he just waits for them in this camp.

V.M .: That is, they are not allowed in without admission.

T: Yes, they are not allowed without admission. Moreover, in addition to the spirits, there is still a company of Chinese soldiers, cameras are everywhere – a step to the left, a step to the right is already a violation. If someone is caught, they put a mark in the passport – not entry. It is tough. In order for a group to pass, it must have a license, have a guide, and you just can’t go there. I understand that this is mainly due to fresh water. In China, there is limited fresh water, everything is spoiled. And there the glaciers are so vast, there is a lot of water. Mostly, probably because of this.

VM: Now we have passed the third stage into the valley, then how?

T: And you go through the valley, you come to the camp – the outer ring closes.

VM: That is, they left and came there?

T: From there they left and came there, and this is considered the outer Kora, that is, the pilgrimage ended there. For them, you need to walk 13 times around the mountain and only then it will be possible to go inside, to the inner Bark. And the inner bark is closed, troops are standing there, and they are not allowed there. It is enough for people to pass the outer Bark. Much becomes clear, this is such a great height, and the transmission of energy in this place is so strong – thoughts settle down, fit as needed. One man from Alma-Ata, he was there 5 times. All four times he was not even allowed to approach the wall, to the mountain itself. So he came, decided to go, and he was engaged in esotericism, someone explained to him by some fortune telling by the stars that he just absolutely needed to go to the wall and then his fate would change for the better. I’ve never seen a person paralyzed in my life. You told today that there is for him personally a border on this path, so he takes a step beyond the path and his legs are numb. He says: “If I jump, then I will petrify all, from the path.” Nobody believed. So he made a small leap and that’s it, he turned to stone, he didn’t even blink his eyes. But he had to walk around the mountain, and he bought a horse with a driver. But the horse is walking, he is not walking with his feet. The horse goes beyond the border of this path, and he, like a sack of potatoes, falls on this horse, and so, like a sack, he drove off. He does not remember anything, does not understand anything, they just turned it off. They did not let me go to the mountain, I went five times. does not even blink his eyes. But he had to walk around the mountain, and he bought a horse with a driver. But the horse is walking, he is not walking with his feet. The horse goes beyond the border of this path, and he, like a sack of potatoes, falls on this horse, and so, like a sack, he drove off. He remembers nothing, understands nothing, they just turned it off. They did not let me go to the mountain, I went five times. does not even blink his eyes. But he had to walk around the mountain, and he bought a horse with a driver. But the horse is walking, he is not walking with his feet. The horse goes beyond the border of this path, and he, like a sack of potatoes, falls on this horse, and so, like a sack, he passed. He does not remember anything, does not understand anything, they just turned it off. They did not let me go to the mountain, I went five times.

T: We went back through Nepal, Kathmandu. Well, in Kathmandu there is beauty, all these monasteries too, statues, beautiful architecture. Kathmandu and then Moscow.

V.M .: I see, thank you.